Subject: Avandish – imbecils at Freeda Vitamins
Author: Marie-Blanche
Avandish,
The imbecils at Freeda Vitamins have sent me magnesium citrate – not carbonate!!! I imagine this is not the same at all in terms of properties???
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Subject: Re: Avandish – imbecils at Freeda Vitamins
Author: marie
true,
you want mag carb only. sorry i guess. i dont work for them, but understand the frustration.
brian
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Subject: Re: Avandish – imbecils at Freeda Vitamins
Author: Marie-Blanche
Yeah, I was waiting for that magnesium carbonate like Jesus the saviour.
I can’t take any other antifungals now because my liver is blown – garlic, essential oils, GSE, all that was very efficient before is now out.
From what you have told me, it seems that mag carbonate would be the thing, ’cause I absolutely must be able to eat a little carb – even if it is only a bit of rice and kefir or yoghurt. It makes a big difference.
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Subject: Re: Avandish – imbecils at Freeda Vitamins
Author: Polly
I’m missing something in this conversation. The way it was written, it almost seemed like carbonate was being confused with carbohydrate — two completely different things.
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Subject: Re: Avandish – imbecils at Freeda Vitamins
Author: Marie-Blanche
magnesium carbonate Polly.
In another thread, Avandish suggested this supplement saying it had helped him lot and that it slows fungal growth.
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Subject: Re: Avandish – imbecils at Freeda Vitamins
Author: Trotter
Magnesium makes my Candida way worse. I’m not the only person to experience this, and it has been reproduced in a laboratory study. Check out George Eby’s website.
http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html
Not saying magnesium may not help some people, but makes others worse.
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Subject: Brian any comments on magnesium carbonate?
Author: Marie-Blanche
This man says magnesium increases candida…
Do you have any comment, Avandish or Brian? Is there a difference between magnesium carbonate and other forms of magnesium? Because am still waiting for my bottle like jesus the saviour…
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Subject: Re: Brian any comments on magnesium carbonate?
Author: Trotter
“Countering these benefits, strong ionic magnesium solutions greatly increase rhinovirus, herpesvirus and Candida albicans in vitro, and appear to worsen these infections in humans.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16797866
“Candida albicans requires Mg2+ for germ-tube formation”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6432954?dopt=Abstract
“..added magnesium but not calcium was required for exponential growth of Candida albicans yeast cells.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2037228?dopt=Abstract
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Subject: Re: Brian any comments on magnesium carbonate?
Author: Niles
Thanks for posting those links …interesting. However, for me that underscores why magnesium supplementation is so important. Infecting agents are stealing this nutrient from you. IMO, the most important factor in choosing a magnesium supp. is not the exact form, although this does matter alot, but the quality of the manufacturing. Poor quality supplements are simply not absorbed by your body. They pass right through undigested. I said before that Source Naturals makes a Magnesium Malate that I like and use.
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Subject: Re: Brian any comments on magnesium carbonate?
Author: Victoria in NY
Interesting dilemna. Starve the yeast and yourself too or give your body what it needs to function and feed the yeast at the same time? I have to say that I have been following the latter protocol, because if your body is so weak from lack of nutrients, it cannot fight off the candida and your metabolic pathways, detoxification systems, etc won’t work properly.
Marie-Blanche: Maybe your mag citrate purchase isn’t a waste? I recently purchased some mag citrate to take with meals for the purpose of binding excess oxalates from foods so that they are not absorbed by the leaky gut and then allowed to form oxalate crystals in your body. If you take the mag citrate away from food, it is supposed to help remove oxalate crystals already stored in the body, although you may not be strong enough to do this now, as it is theorized that bactieria, candida and heavy metals can be bound up in oxalate crystals and released when the oxalates are removed and the crystals break down.
http://www.lowoxalate.info/research.html
“Yeast Overgrowth:
It is likely the tie to yeast infections involves a problem in the immune system and its ability to recognize yeast overgrowth and respond. Oxalate is known to impair carboxylase enzymes producing symptoms equivalent to biotin or biotinidase deficiency. The literature on those conditions is clear that when carbxylases are impaired, it is easy to get runaway problems with yeast. Perhaps this explains why some people on the low oxalate diet would lose this inhibition, resulting in a loss of their tendency towards chronic candidiasis. If this reduction of yeast doesn’t seem to be working in the first months of LOD when “dumping cycles” may come more frequently, then it certainly might make sense to increase the level of biotin in the diet (with a supplement that furnishes biotin in mgs rather than mcgs) to see if that also helps keep back yeast by enhancing carboxylase activity. For a more thorough explanation of biotin-dependent enzymes and processes that we now realize may suffer inhibition by oxalate see page.309-310 in the Defeat Autism Now! manual and search the archives for biotin at Trying_Low_Oxalates.”
http://www.lowoxalate.info/supplements/supplements_pos.html
I have been having some interesting results on this diet, and it seems that excess oxalates are indeed a problem for me. When I eat high oxalate foods, I have a variety of unpleasant symptoms from fatigue and headaches to mouth sores and diarrhea. I didn’t want to believe this– and have to let go of the last of some of my favorite foods easily, but I am beginning to see a connection, and feeling better is clearly more important to me at this point than eating what I want.
Still testing this out a bit, but so far, all signs point to O (oxalates, that is).
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Subject: Re: Brian any comments on magnesium carbonate?
Author: Avandish
Yes there is a difference between varies forms that is significant. George Eby I think uses mag taurate or glycinate or some other amino chelate. Mag carbonate is not organic and its particular properties reduce fungal growth. Additionally it stimulates good bacteria growth, and the enzymes provided by the probiotics enhance carb metabolism. Some other forms of mag are absorbed at faster rates, but may cause other problems as others here have indicated.
Brian
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Subject: Re: Avandish – imbecils at Freeda Vitamins
Author: Victoria in NY
Marie-Blanche: You may have tried this already, but I have been having good luck with olive leaf as an anti-fungal.